Thorin doesn't die in the book

On thorins deathbed, he made amends with bilbo, the outcome of the battle was retold, beorn rescued thorin and killed bolg, but the battle wasnt over yet until the eagles came and swooped the grounds. One even thorin had come to realize had been wrong. Jun 23, 20 and, with one rather unfortunate exception when bilbo joins the dwarves in combat after defending thorin, bilbo is terrible with his sword. The hero of the book is bilbo, not thorin, hence the title. In the book, bilbo does indeed try to use his own share for that purpose and has to manipulate things to try and get thorin to let him. I think it will be a very heartwrenching moment, but i will definitely see the movies. The cinematic reason is that peter jackson wanted to make a scene that does not exist in the book. The battle of five armies starts off showing the lake town citizens running to get out of the city. Technically the book the lord of the rings doesn t have a prequel. In fact, azog is supposed to be dead from the start. I think he should let killi live in the movie, actually. Smaug doesnt appear in the first half of the novel and this film only covers a third of the book.

Bombur was the twelfth dwarf arriving at bag end to attend the meeting arranged by gandalf, where the quest to reclaim erebor began. The hobbit, or there and back again question about thorin. In the book, thorin is attempting to attack bolg replaced by azog in the. This may be slightly pedantic, but just to be precise. Ask about middle earth the significance of fili and kilis deaths. What might thorin be afraid of if he doesn t have a contract with bilbo. Stolen heir in which thorin cant escape, a hobbit fanfic. What makes you think that jackson won t change the ending to a certain degree. Thorin ii oakenshield the one wiki to rule them all fandom. Notably, bilbo is one of the few primary characters in lord of the rings who doesn t have one of these, or at least a best friend and close confidante. Its only because this is probably the last letter fili ever wrote that thorin doesn t rip it into pieces instantly. If it is the movie version, thorin is very op and seems to effortlessly kill orcs mainly down to bad directing if its the book gimli fought in way more battles and survived unlike thorin. Differences between jrr tolkiens novel and peter jacksons movie trilogy. A heroic leader doesnt give up even in the face of a hopeless situation.

He doesnt look like other dwarves, he doesnt have a long beard, his face can be seen and its humane. After bearing the dying thorin back to dains lines, beorn is so overcome. Which makes you nobody really thorin glared at the smiling goblin i know someone who would pay a. Idk if id call this a plot hole as it doesn t really affect the story at all, but it is an inconsitency i guess. The the hobbit quotes below are all either spoken by thorin oakenshield or refer to thorin oakenshield. Technically the book the lord of the rings doesnt have a prequel. Bilbo departs from the mountain and joins gandalf, the men, and the elves. Thorin oakenshield in the hobbit, or, there and back again. Thorin oakenshield character analysis in the hobbit litcharts. Dec 27, 20 everyone survived bofa, but fili and kili were severely injured, so thorin doesnt leave their side and comforts them the best he can.

His nephews fili and kili died defending him as he lay on the ground. The isnt in any of the lord of the rings films, the first hobbit film, or the book at any point. Wallowing in self pity, thorin lost sight of the mission and did not remain strong or brave. Bombur tumbled with bifur and bofur onto thorin when they. I wanted to make an edit to the hobbit movies since i really like them and i. Smaug, of course, is the dragon who stole the dwarves land from thorin and his forefathers. For each quote, you can also see the other characters and themes related to it each theme is indicated by its own dot and icon, like this one. These events are related by the narrator, gandalf and thorin during the unexpected party at bilbos home. Because he was commonly considered to count for two dwarves due to his girth, he was the last to arrive at beorns house and the last to cross the enchanted stream in mirkwood. The book is packed with more than 1,000 images of concept artwork, photographs and development paintings by the artists working behind the scenes to. While bilbo is saying goodbye to the other dwarves, thorin threatens to shoot him. After the barrels are eventually stopped at a gate, which is something that doesnt happen in the books, kili attempts to raise the portcullis and is shot with a poison arrow from an orc.

You, turned away from the suffering of my people and the inferno that destroyed us. In the book smaug does not mention thorins name at all and they never interact in the 2nd hobbit movie smaug refers to thorin as oakenshield even though thorin doesnt receive that moniker until after smaug has taken the mountain. A prequel is written after a publication in question but describes the. Thorin was best known for his deeds as leader of a company that infiltrated the lost kingdom under the mountain to take it back from smaug and for leading an alliance of men, dwarves. He was done a major injustice if you compare the movies to the book.

Smaug left the mannish town of dale in ruins and killed many dwarves who were inside the mountain. In a book where there are good races and bad races the elves and the goblins, respectively, the dwarves are probably the closest things we have to a moral grey area. Idk if id call this a plot hole as it doesnt really affect the story at all, but it is an inconsitency i guess. He is the son of thrain ii, grandson of thror, and becomes king of durins folk during their exile from erebor. The hobbit smaug referring to thorin as oakenshield. Smaug dying in the first 10 minutes was kind of frustrating. Thror and thrain thorins father escaped using a secret back door. Its particularly apparent in the third film when thorin delivers a speech while dying in his arms. Thorin oakenshield from book to film scifi and fantasy network. Which makes you nobody really thorin glared at the smiling goblin i know someone who would pay a pretty price for your head. In the book, thorin is attempting to attack bolg replaced by azog in the movie. In the book smaug does not mention thorins name at all and they never interact in the 2nd hobbit movie smaug refers to thorin as oakenshield even though thorin doesn t receive that moniker until after smaug has taken the mountain. Id like to say, the hobbit did not need to be three movies, and while they arent bad, the book was better.

Nov 17, 20 if you cannot wait for the movies to unfold read the book. Beorn then smashes though the ranks and kills bolg. Answers about the hobbit and the lord of the rings. Mar 06, 2020 a tribute to thorin oakenshield from the hobbit trilogy, played by richard armitage. Thorin is the leader of the company of dwarves who aim to reclaim the lonely mountain from smaug the dragon. Explicit 178 mature 118 teen and up audiences 108 general audiences 102 not rated 101 include warnings. Welcome back to the chapterbychapter reread of the hobbit. Thorin oakenshield in the hobbit, or, there and back again thorin oakenshield thorin, son of thrain, son of thror, is the leader of the company of dwarves who go on a quest to get their treasure back from the dragon smaug who destroyed their kingdom under the lonely mountain a couple of generations back.

Learn vocabulary, terms, and more with flashcards, games, and other study tools. A quiz to test your knowledge of the great thorin oakenshield april 22, 2019 159 takers. Top ten differences between the hobbit book and films. I don t really remember these guys from the book, to be honest. The radio dramatisation of the hobbit became a classic when it was first broadcast on bbc radio 4 in 1968 and it continues to delight today.

The hobbit, or there and back again kili the dwarf live. The blond shook his head, trying to clear away the anger the memory brought back up. Thranduil looks visibly shocked at thorin s words thorin. Everyone survived bofa, but fili and kili were severely. Thorin dismisses balin with a sharp nod, but his heart clenches painfully at the familiar penmanship. As the dragon, smaug, begins his attack, the screen time moves over to the dwarves and bilbo at erebor. The hobbit, or, there and back again quotes shmoop.

The deaths of the three dwarves are far more satisfying in the book. On thorin s deathbed, he made amends with bilbo, the outcome of the battle was retold, beorn rescued thorin and killed bolg, but the battle wasn t over yet until the eagles came and swooped the grounds. You can find past posts at the reread index, or you can catch up with our previous reread of. Hes figured out which is the dangerous end, sure, but otherwise just sort of swings it around clumsily. Its clearly filis straight, slightly curving letters. Thorin at last regrets his greed, and he recognizes the value of a race like the hobbits and particularly of bilbo, which he had scorned at the beginning of the book. Thorins side doing it every day in the war of art book. He has great bravery and integrity, but his love for the treasure that was stolen from him and his people leads him behave stubbornly and selfishly even after he has won it back. In the book, thorin wasnt going madlike he does in the movie.

Jan 21, 2017 some thoughts on the concepts outlined in the war of art by steven pressfield and how they enable one to pursue improvement and build work ethic. If you cannot wait for the movies to unfold read the book. A tribute to thorin oakenshield from the hobbit trilogy, played by richard armitage. Also, the arkenstone, as thorin says many times, is the kings jewel, the birthright of his people. Jrr tolkiens books are not some cute young adults fantasy novels, so they are not bound to satisfy us with living characters by the end of the day. An archive of our own, a project of the organization for transformative works. I get that movies make allowances on the story and that it wont be the same. Hobbit quiz chapter questions whole book flashcards. Jan 02, 2015 thorin thinks that once he has the stone, it will bring him the only happiness he needs, when in reality, it wont. Some thoughts on the concepts outlined in the war of art by steven pressfield and how they enable one to pursue improvement and build work ethic. Bombur was not of durins line, although he was descended from the dwarves of. And, with one rather unfortunate exception when bilbo joins the dwarves in combat after defending thorin, bilbo is terrible with his sword.

Thranduil looks visibly shocked at thorins words thorin. He doesnt know what hes doing, and is clearly in over his head. In the book, as in the film, thorin is the leader of a company of. Thorin doesnt disagree with bilbo, but he calls bilbo a traitor and dismisses him from the lonely mountain, saying that he hopes hell never see bilbo again. It seems that she was created to provide a strong, relatable female character that doesnt really exist in the hobbit book, and considering her performance was highly praised across the. Or maybe it was the fact that, more than any of the other films in jacksons illadvised but ridiculously lucrative trilogy, the hobbit. One of the most significant new departures from the books actual plot concerned thorin, kili and filis deaths. Played by losts evangeline lilly, tauriel is a character exclusive to the film adaptation of the hobbit. These are three characters who dieand the deaths are supposed to sting. Id like to say, the hobbit did not need to be three movies, and while they aren t bad, the book was better. It seems that she was created to provide a strong, relatable female character that doesnt really exist in the hobbit book, and considering her performance was highly praised across the board, it was a move that went rather well.

In that battle the following characters are among the deaths. I wanted to make an edit to the hobbit movies since i really like them and i feel like thorin would be the best. The battle of the five armies having reclaimed erebor and vast treasure from the dragon smaug, thorin oakenshield richard armitage sacrifices friendship and honor in seeking the arkenstone, despite smaugs fiery wrath and desperate attempts by the. Thorin oakenshieldthranduil works archive of our own. Thorin is buried under the mountain with the arkenstone upon his breast and. It wasnt anywhere near as epic of an event in the movie as in the book. Thorin ii, also called the oakenshield, king under the mountain or the mountain king, was the son of thrain ii, the older brother of frerin and dis, the grandson of king thror and the uncle of fili and kili. King under the mountain the goblin bows exaggeratedly to thorin, showing mockery oh, but im forgetting, you dont have a mountain. Thorin is the descendant of the king under the mountain who lost his throne when smaug came and ousted the dwarves from their home.

The hobbit, or there and back again kili the dwarf. I hope he doesnt alter the story and motivations to much and sticks to the original story. Notably, bilbo is one of the few primary characters in lord of the rings who doesnt have one of these, or at least a best friend and close confidante. The death of thorin would explain that particular absence, which is quite rare in tolkiens primary. I think his quest was complete and his death was necessary to win the battle of 5 armies. Its only because this is probably the last letter fili ever wrote that thorin doesnt rip it into pieces instantly. It is dramatically essential to show the audience just what is at stake, especially since the audience will not have another opportunity to see the storys main adversary, smaug, until the. This later leads to the company splitting up in laketown as some follow thorin to the mountain and others stay behind to care for kili, a huge departure from the book. The book is packed with more than 1,000 images of concept artwork, photographs and development paintings by the artists working behind the scenes to bring middleearth to life, who each. If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world, thorin says.

Thorin s background is further elaborated in appendix a of tolkiens 1955 novel the. Thorin oakenshield, the leader of the band of dwarves hoping to regain the treasure under the mountain, is killed in the battle of the five armies. Thorins parting words resolve the hobbits central conflict. The leader of the thirteen dwarves journeying to the lonely mountain. In the book, it is also pointed out that a goodly amount of the gold was taken by smaug from dale, so bard and his people have a legitimate claim to a share of the treasure. Heroic leaders will fight till the end and never lose sight of their mission. The hobbit, or there and back again question about. I dont really remember these guys from the book, to be honest. Tolkiens famous saga, the prelude to the lord of the rings, has all the ingredients of fantasy and adventure. Thorin ii oakenshield mortally wounded on the field, died soon after the battle, after having final words with bilbo. Bombur was by far the fattest dwarf in the company. What makes you think that jackson wont change the ending to a certain degree. Im sure peter jackson will give us a surfeit, with thoring dying.